Autism, measles vaccine link further debunked

Your post makes no sense. You belive vaccines can and do cause serious disability and death, but not autism? Wouldn't you call autism a serious disability? Your conclusion is even worse. Your fear dictates your opinions, not facts.

I agree with you to a point...and children with weaker system should have their shots spaced out. I did that with my oldest...but it's REALLY nice to finally see in writing what I've believed all along...vaccines do NOT cause autism.
I say that with an autistic daughter. And I'm so tired of hearing from anti-vaccinators that it's all big business. It's not. Vaccines are miracles of modern medicine. Go back 100 years and tell THEM about them...they would think parents were INSANE not to protect their children.
I have to agree.

John, I couldn't agree with you more. I've always felt something in the vaccines is triggering autism in children who are susceptible due to something genetic. I feel it is the catalyst for autism in those individuals.

I also have to wonder if the amount/number of vaccines that we give our children have something to do with it also. I know the number of vaccines that I received is alot less than the number of vaccines that my children received. Keeping in mind that more 'recommended' vaccines are on the horizon.

You do realize that the theory that vaccines cause autism involves thousands of people in the pharmaceutical companies knowing the truth and not coming clean to the public. Thousands of fathers, mothers, brothers, sisters, sons and daughters. Undoubtedly, some percentage of them have a close family member who suffers from an autism spectrum disorder, and yet they still take their kids to get vaccinated.
Someone, somewhere would see the evidence if there was any. We all think corporations are evil, but it's important to remember that they are made up of people. This isn't the kind of cover-up that could be perpetrated by a handful of executives. The developers of the vaccine would know, the testing and verification people would know, the outside contractors hired to produce these studies would know. It just doesn't make sense that not one of them would do the right thing and raise their voice for the good of all.

1 out of 100? Please provide the link to your statistic. This is definitely different than the information I have seen. Perhaps in third world countries that may be the case, but it is especially interesting since there has not been 1 death reported in the 130+ cases that have been reported this year in the US.

Try these statistics. If we have to gamble with the health of our children, I would rather gamble the 1 in 100,000 chance of complications from measles - even death, than the 1 in 150 chance of autism.

1 out of 100 measeles cases die? What an idiotic statement. The CDC states that there were several million cases of measles per year before the measles vaccine--that was a lie. The worst year in the 1950's had over 700,000 cases of measles--a lot less than millions. The co-author of this latest study is from the CDC. They all lie and they all have a lot to gain from government-mandated vaccination and a lot to lose if vaccines prove to be harmful. That's a fact.

Bravo!

"They all lie and they all have a lot to gain from government-mandated vaccination and a lot to lose if vaccines prove to be harmful. That's a fact. "

No DG-495098, that is not a fact. That is an emotional allegation. A fact is a piece of verifiable, objective evidence (something that can be seen, touched, counted, etc.).

Yes, objective evidence is the key word there. I would love to see some studies allowed to be published by agencies other than the CDC and pharmaceutical companies who have so much to gain and an astronomical amount to lose once they will admit the connection. I am not saying outright cause, but connection between the MMR and autism.

The problem is, the whole idea behind vaccination in the US is based on the idea of 'herd immunity'. That is, if the vast majority of the population is highly resistant to a particular disease, the chances of getting that disease are much, much lower than if you are the only one who is resistant.

It's important to realize that vaccines are not 100% effective, and even if they are effective they don't prevent 100% of all instances of disease. In other words, if I get the MMR vaccine, there is a chance (about 5-10%) that my body will not produce antibodies and the vaccine won't do anything for me. There is also a chance, even if my body produces antibodies, that given enough exposure I will still get sick.

Parents who refuse to vaccinate their children, in effect put everyone else at a higher risk as well. There are some areas of the US now where 20% of the child population is unvaccinated. When (not if) an outbreak occurs, it will put much more than those 20% at risk of infection.

The regular check-ups are just as effective as the vaccine is. Wasn't the governor of Texas who made it mandatory in that state somehow connected to the company who manufactured the vaccines? Hmmmm....

They did do a study and found that mercury was NOT the cause of autism. That article come out over a year ago but some people cannot let it go. This article debunks the FIRST ever claim about a link to childhood vaccinations to autism. Finally now all claims about the vaccines have been address and researched by doctors (with degrees) and medical organizations funded by the government and private money. Please stop with the conspiracy already. Oh and by the way, as a precaution they removed the mercury additives back in 2001 with the majority of circulation ending in 2003.

Of course it was the therimosal (mercury) that caused the spike in autism 10 years ago, since our government quietly took it out, those rates have dropped. Mercury poisoning has nearly identical neurological effects and closely mimics the symptoms of autism. Yes, now that they have removed the mercury from the vaccines, you should get your children vaccinated, and in fact my children are up to date.
My point is that this article about the mmr vaccine has little to do with the real debate. Parents of children w/ autism have maintained that since the government upped the "recommended" vaccines for infants ages 3mo to 15mo in the 90's, the amount of mercury they were actually injecting in a child of that body weight exceeded the mercury poisoning limit. Then even though "it wasn't the mercury" they removed it from the vaccines.
Wake up people. Your government doesn't always have your best interests at heart.

Please get a life. Not everything in life is a conspiracy against you. This woman wrote the book because her son had autism and she needed to blame someone. The book was published in 2004 and since RADICAL changes have been made in regards to vaccines but no one wants to realize the good it does. They just want to cling to the idea of someone to blame, someone to sue, some one out to get them, someone other than them to blame for children unnecessarily dying TODAY of preventable diseases. Sad.

And every vaccine ever given has had DHMO or a derivitave in it, BAN DHMO!

danwill, I wonder how many people are even aware of the danger from DHMO?
It is everywhere, and you almost never hear about it.
This is a danger we should be alerted to, but as usual, the media (and our education) lets us down.

It's not about believing what I see in writing. It's about confirming what I see everyday with my child. Autism runs in my husband's family, we were not surprised when we saw aspects of it in our second child early on. But, even we were slow to realize just how bad she was. We, who were aware, and watching for it. I'm so glad that I decided to get her tested, just in case. She is now almost three and getting wonderful intervention. She's made so much progress, and I have great hopes for her future. I have to wonder how many parents refuse to see what is right in front of them, and then blame the vaccines for "destroying" their child. I find it sad really. To believe that your child COULD have been normal and was purposely harmed by big business...that's really sad. My daughter came this way, and I love her this way, and I wouldn't change her for the world. She is my angel.

Oh my more conspiracy. Goodness gracious John, is anything in your life not out to get you? Please people!

Most people who have Hep B, don't know how they got it. It's not just a sexually transmitted disease. Check out how long it lives on inanimate objects...

Person-to-person transmission of HBV has been well documented in situations of close personal contact, specifically among household members. It is presumed that in these settings transmission occurs from skin lesions (such as eczema or impetigo) or sharing of blood-contaminated objects (such as toothbrushes or razors), although the specific pathway of transdermal exposure is rarely identified. Since HBV is stable on environmental surfaces for at least 7 days, indirect inoculation may occur via inanimate objects.

SEVEN DAYS!!! This is Hep B folkes! If you think it's a sexually transmitted disease...you're nuts.

Amen homestar!!

Do you grow and hunt your own food? Skin and tan your own leather, weave your own cloth because the government is not regulating everything to your weird standards. How about getting rid of the FDA altogether, then see how many people get sick and die.

and of course the only way that you will trust them is if they do exactly what you want, and ignore everybody else.

Troubling. You worked in a doctors' office for 7 years without having much of a grasp on the english language. On a side note... the recommended dosage and number of multiple shots given during (1) appointment almost doubled from the 70's to early 90's. Unfortunatley, it is the combination of these shots that ups the amount of mercury that the infant is exposed to in one sitting, thus over-exposing the child. I agree you should immunize your child. But our government has a lot of explaining to do about the spike in autism in the late 90's.

Yeah.. while we are at it.. lets study autism effects on Children in Japan and other asian cultures and well as cultures up north on the effects of eating fish. If Mercury is the cause, then we should ban eating of all fish right. Give me a break you sheep.. the reason you had so many cases explode in this one instance is because they changed the definition of autism to autism.. before that they were considered retarded. they just reclassified the condition..

IN fact a few months ago, they found the cause of autism... a defective gene in the brain that kicks in around when the baby is 1 or 2... this is another "don't blame me.. blame someone else" liberal crap..

Yes, it is not your fault that you passed a defective gene to your child, but you did, live with it, make your peace with it, and make the childs life better. If your mercury conspiracy theory were true, ALL of us would have autism.. or at least more than half of us.

Moronic sheep....

While eating mercurt tainted fish, you are overlooking a glaring difference...the toxins in vaccines, mercury or thimersol or pick any other of a handful, are injected directly into a kids bloodstream, having instant access to the childs brain. All defenses bypassed.When you ingest mercury or other toxins, you have multiple layers of filtration before the toxin makes it to your brain and neurolgiocal system.
not sure why you are so scared of the truth here toastee, but if you aren't just a pissed off yahoo, do some digging on the real facts. you will see regions that havent vaccinated have avoided the rampage of these neurological disorders, and you will find a host of other info that by your tone i doubt you're willing to accept.

How many in your family have auto immune disorders? Maybe you should get the genetics of your disorder checked into. You maybe right that certain shots could possible bring out auto immune issues in some but you have to admit that the link to childhood vaccines is very rare. But to blame the government...you just may be in the small percent that have adverse reactions that are known and PROVEN related to these shots. You should be genetically tested. Oh and check for the conspiracy gene too. Maybe that can be removed.

"do the research" means "find the sites that give opinions that agree with mine".

You both are so right. I lov it when soem one posts a comment about a link and I go to find that it is some obscure, "firends of friends who have friends in the hands of God" posting this stuff that the gleen by miss quoting the actual article or research. I usually can find the origonal and debunk their conspriacy but they NEVER like hearing it.

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I KNOW!! But, I got this great tin foil hat that fixes things right up.

homestar can i borrow that hat? Maybe it will shield me from the ignorance disease that seems to be plaguing the country

I hope you are kidding, because this is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. And the DNC was just last week.

I don't want any kid playing with matches and setting the world on fire. That seems dangerous.

And yes, I couldn't resist being a dork for a second.

AMEN!! Thank you...I agree...sometimes I wonder why I'm even on these boards, then I remember...I'm pregnant and it's a great outlet for all the pregnancy crazies. :) Well, and to try and be a voice of reason in a sea of conspiracy theorists. They think they're the ones thinking outside the box...but they've just created their own box, and can't see outside it. :)

But Brenda, you were educated by big bad pharma.
These people did their homework and searched the internet until they got the answer they wanted to hear.(rolls eyes)

We're not conspirace theorists or crazy. My husband was in Iraq and only received the first few shots in a vaccine series for Anthrax. Then the stopped giving it and NEVER TOLD ANYBODY WHY. Obviously, there was a problem with the shot. And if there wasn't, then why haven't they explained why they pulled it? He's asked direct questions, and has been refused an answer from the government EVERY TIME. Have you heard about the FDA lately? The FDA itself admits its so underfunded that it can't adequately do its job, and many people have resigned due to ethical objections about corrupt supervisors. We're not blind. And we don't just roam the internet until we get what we want. I know firsthand that the government protects its pockets before its people, and in my husband's case, before its soldiers.

which proves exactly nothing Cara, What I heard just on the media reports was that the anthrax vac was of questionable value on the inhalable form of the disease(read weaponized), and DID have a fairly high incidence of negative side effects.
So let's see, questionable value against a non-existant threat, known incidents of negative side effects, and high cost.
The rationale for giving it was that some protection was better than no protection.
Now where was this conspiracy of yours hiding?

If there were so many negative side effects that were bad enough to pull the vaccine, then it shouldn't have been given anyway. And anthrax is NOT a big enough threat in the Middle East all of a sudden? Funny how that's what the government keeps saying and has said is a HUGE threat. Bioterror and that the terrorists have access to anthrax and other hazardous chemicals, but now it's not that big of a deal and isn't so threatening? I think that's a LITTLE inconsistent on the government's part. Either way, they created hype in one direction or the other.

And by the way, Dan, were you in the Middle East? Do you know what some of the men in the military have been instructed to do that isn't honest and you would never believe because it's a "conspiracy"? Don't you think it's interesting that we haven't been attacked again, in so many years, even though terrorism is supposedly such a giant threat? You can't attribute it to TSA being so great in airports, every single study has said they're a joke and IEDs can be and HAVE BEEN sneaked through in security tests. You don't think our government is in bed with a few important people? Get a clue. I don't think everything is a conspiracy. Far from it. But I know that money talks BIG TIME, and people who have the power to seal important files and documents and keep it from the public definitely do that. In your little world where your government is all hearts and flowers, do you poo rainbows and eat cupcakes with fairies, too? You're BLIND if you think this entire government is so honest and forthcoming with the public in instances where they've screwed up big time.

The original article had 12 patients, total. No control group. In fact, your "coincidence-causation" argument could be used better against the original. The new one had 25 in the autism group, and another 13 in the control. The power calculation, which is the likelihood that a study will be meaningful after statistical analysis, comparing these two result in the new article being around 9 times more "powerful" than the original. But this is how science works: very slowly. This is the first step. More studies will come out. I could go into details comparing the two, but there are experts who have done and will do that. People can spend almost a decade in medical, basic science, or statistics training. We're not out to get you. Trust your doctor; most are good and want what's best for their patients. Vaccines are miracles of medicine The last thing I want to see is a bunch of innocent kids get really sick.