Obama: Magazine insulted Muslim Americans

Precisely right.

10am obama story - obama ties his shoes
12pm obama story - obama makes a cell phone call
2pm obama story - obama says sky is blue
4pm obama story - obama says we need change, again
6pm obama story - obama says mean people aren't nice
8pm obama story - obama says unicorns need gov't assistance

Pfffft! Where are you reading all these Obama stories?
Oh, I forgot you see things that aren't there.
Good story, good low key explanation. I like him better and better.

Insulted ? And his point is ? All American Freedom of expression ! Been doing it for ever in this country.

If people are so ignorant and believe this `very funny cartoon` then they shouldn't`t be
voting. I am leaning towards Obama but if he is too blind to see humor or is offended and so insulted so easily then in today's volatile Middle East we haven`t got a prayer.

He should maybe get on Newsvine for a little conditioning!(sigh) : )
Now what we get a video `Please Leave O`bama Alone` sob sob. ; (

You forgot to say 10pm Obama story - Obama takes a crap and explodes in a tirade of verbal diarrhea! If he's trying to close the racial gap, this isn't the way to do it. The media just doesn't get it and neither does he. We don't care about the "American Muslims" they can all go back to where they came from! Give us something we can relate to! Give us anything of substance but stop whining and sack UP, BO!

Tiger-- Calling me an idiot just shows your ignorance you moron!! When my forefathers came to America, they didn't sneak over a border with vows to murder and terrorize a nation. Shut your pie hole and go bow to meca!

And neither die evey Muslim Rainman. Maybe you are called an idiot becasue you write idiot comments.

But obviously you got the message - you and your family (unless your are full Indian blood descent) caught a ride to America too, you could go back to where your family line came from.

Rainman:
didn't sneak over a border with vows to murder and terrorize a nation? Yeah, you're absolutely right. The Native Americans in this land today are completely happy with the land that was left to them. I think it's about as big as Rhode Island....right? Those dirty Native Americans had too much land to themselves. There's the first example of forcing the 'American way' onto others. Gee....if it happened all the way back then, shouldn't it be called the 'British way', technically?

UHHH NO! Maybe you should brush up on American History! The Indians weren't the first people here. The Clovis report, or maybe you are too ignorant, states clearly that the first people to migrate here were from Siberia via the North. Don't spout BS if you're not intelligent enough to keep up!!!

You are absolutely right...however, there are those "not so bright" that are stupidly saying "I told you so".

The Clovis report, or maybe you are too ignorant, states clearly that the first people to migrate here were from Siberia via the North. Don't spout BS if you're not intelligent enough to keep up!!!

Maybe you should check your own facts, rainman. From Science Daily:

The belief that the Clovis People were the first to populate North America some 11,500 years ago has been widely challenged in recent years, and a Texas A&M University anthropologist has found evidence he says could be the final nail in the coffin for the Clovis first model.
Waters' paper revises the original dates for the Clovis time period, suggesting that humans likely inhabited the Americas before Clovis, who have long been considered to be the first inhabitants of the New World.

Source
And from CNN:

An archaeologist from the University of South Carolina on Wednesday announced radiocarbon tests that dated the first human settlement in North America to 50,000 years ago -- at least 25,000 years before other known human sites on the continen

Source

Point is that there were natives here prior to the Europeans coming in and slaughtering what we have been told for years to be the original citizen, the Indians. The article clearly states that "it is believed". There was a native living on this vast area of land way before the white man came over. Rainman...you speak with a segregationist attitude and that is a shame. You claim to be a proud American yet you speak against what makes this country great. The differences and culture that we have are wonderful yet you want everyone to believe, think and live the same. That's not being American.

You're right rainman. Definitely...definitely right!

Time for Obama to buck up!

God bless America, I respect you, but....these are not light times.

Jon,

This Satire has successfully accomplished it`s mission. Invoke thought ! : )

Yes, this thread is utterly thoughtprovoking. Bergman and Dostoyevski left in a trail of smoke. The highlight so far:

Calling me an idiot just shows your ignorance you moron

This--coming from the man who says being called a muslim is a "SMEAR".

Yeah....he's politically correct alright--but only when he's the subject.

There are Muslim Americans who are just as much American as you are. It is grossly unfair to catergorize an entire group of people and say what they do and don't care about.

I am glad Obama said this. I am so tired of people acting as if there is something wrong with being a Muslim.

One thing that comes to mind about muslims are they want to force everyone to accept allah. Like I want to worship pork. Only when slowly hickory-smoked. Look at the school kids that got suspended for not praying muslimatically. I think mecca should be nuked, like that buddhist statue was destroyed. That would be a lesson in tolerant behavior.

Now you know how the rest of the world feels about America. Your barefoot, backwoods sensibilities are sort of an international joke. It's unfortunate because, like Muslims, MOST americans aren't actually as obnoxious as people like you.

Kiss my grits!

they want to force everyone to accept allah.

Just like a lot of Christians want everyone to accept Jesus....but not quite because Allah is God in Arabic...same word, different language.

Berrymountain BozemanMT wrote a very ignorant statement - There are Muslim Americans in America. And I am sure Obama wants everyones vote. It may be a cartoon, but it is insulting to Muslims, and no-one group should be placed in one specific category.

I think the cover was in poor taste.

G. Barrett, SC

Didn't the Obama camp remove some women from a platform where he was to speak because thay were wearing muslim garb? Pay close attention to Mr. Obama and ask yourself which Obama would actually sit in the oval office?

Actually, no, he did not remove the woman wearing garb from a photo-op. That was a misconception intentionally passed along in the mass media. The woman was attempting to make a speech about the rights of Muslims and was told that this was not the correct platform to do so, and was asked to step down. Not to step away from Obama because of her garb, but not to take advantage of the cameras to espouse her own theories, whatever they may be. Think Soy Bomb incident, except way less funny.

That's the problem Kear..Obama is getting bashed for what his supporters or volunteers does. People said he was whining before he made a statement about the magazine cover. I think the first time he was asked he said no comment, but people on newsvine seemed to think he was complaining. Wonder where they got that notion when he said no comment. And for those who think that all they talk about is Obama all day, then how about you go to the entertainment section or weather. YOu are reading the politic section and is amazed that MSN is talking about OBama...well golly gee whiz..what are they suppose to be talking about. Do you forget that McCain has articles on the page, and there is always something about Hillary (who lost the primary) mentioned. One more thing I am upset about is that people say that the jib jab cartoon doesn't make fun of Obama. What cartoon were they watching? They are blinded by there own madness. I say a big eared man riding a unicorn surrounded by wide eyed animals flying through a rainbow. Most wide eyed animals and unicorns are from fairy tales. So they were poking fun of his change platform. When people make accusations first find out if HE said it or did it..not a supporter, volunteer, or reverend.

G. Barrett, SC

Didn't the Obama camp remove some women from a platform where he was to speak because thay were wearing muslim garb? Pay close attention to Mr. Obama and ask yourself which Obama would actually sit in the oval office?

His volunteers asked the women not to sit behind him due to the sensitive political climate, and Sen. Obama issued personal apologies to those women and said that his campaign is not about that.

You have to realize that no matter what Obama does regarding Muslims will be wrong....the media a people will use everything to support what they already feel.

His volunteers asked the women not to sit behind him due to the sensitive political climate, and Sen. Obama issued personal apologies to those women and said that his campaign is not about that.

You have to realize that no matter what Obama does regarding Muslims will be wrong....the media a people will use everything to support what they already feel.

I'm sorry but this comment really stood out to me. Let me get this straight. There is a reasonable explanation for this? You mean this whole time I've been fooled by a media that attempts to turn every political move into a soap opera in order to get people to pay attention and feed their ratings?

I'm sorry but, that was the final straw. I'm going back to watching daytime soap operas where i can get my emotional fix. It was getting confusing trying to memorize all the talking points anyways.

Kiss my grits!

Is that an offer? ;)

Not for long, my friend. With Bush's assault on habeus corpus, lots of Amercans may be locked up indefinitely for sedition soon if our nation's fascist politics continue.

Sorry SouthernDem, I am most definitely not a socialist. Just concerned about my rights of freedom of speech. You missed the boat.

I am offended at your offense!

Good spin, but a bit tame compared to:

Calling me an idiot just shows your ignorance you moron

You have got it 100% right....
Why can't everyone see it ????

If what you two say is fact,

WHY ARE YOU STILL ALIVE?

And why 1.5 million Iraqi muslems are not still alive after awe and shock crusade?

They are still alive because we have not yet been consumed by the Muslims. It will be a short time coming if we don't elect someone who will stand up for our Constitution and our freedoms.

Bush ''and his like McCain'' stand up for destruction of Constitution and for torture and eavesdropping

I have lots of friends who are Muslims. They aren't out to kill anyone. They study for a BA or work 16 hours a day or play soccer.

Get out of the bunker. The sun is shining.

Ms.Diyaa-because we have the fortune of not being in the World Trade Center, the Pentagon or one of the hijacked planes..Muslims, radical or not do not hold non-Muslims in high regard or have any respect for them. They will get none from me, and yes they will remain suspect! That's life...

//You may put your head firmly back in the sand!

james melton

You better face the facts the muslims are out to kill everyone who is not muslim. These people have no respect for anyone and get none from me..

DDF, that still does not give proof that ALL Muslims want non-Muslims dead.

//You may put your head firmly back in the sand!

You seem to be just as juvenile as the rest.

Someone should have said that when your ancestors first came here.

What about Timothy McVeigh?

You pile McViegh [1 guy] in with a fricken faction of terrorists and radicals? Go read your stinken koran!!!

What about Timothy McVeigh?

Of course the non-muslem terrorists are sweet killers , they kill for principles

They need a book to be enumerated ..from Baader-Meinhof terrorist /RAF gang- Spanish ETA- Red Brigades in Italy - IRA....,....etc....endlessly

I forgot Bush,s holly mission of mass genocide ....oh , it was a blessed holly murder

Blacksheep. you are an idiot, IRA where considered terrorist and they used to bomb all kind of places in England. and in Ireland Christian and catholics where killing each other in the name of Religion. The crusade was done in the name of God, they kill entire village children, women,and anything that move that didn't believe in the Cross. if you do not consider this acts of terrorism then you are a Big moron. and don't forget Bush....This is for you to rainman-356189.

What about Venezuelans? Or Columbians? Aren't they considered terrorists as well? Or the Irish terrorist group, or the Spanish one, etc...I'm pretty sure there's a terrorist list out there with numerous non-Muslim groups on there.

Racism isn't acceptable. Period. Making inaccurate assumptions over every individual in a group of ONE BILLION people is racist.

True , generalization is a kind of hidden racism

Why no one generalized IRA terrorist explosions at all Irish ? or ETA at all Spanish?
Or it,s only muslems the acceptable target of defemation

You pile McViegh [1 guy] in with a fricken faction of terrorists and radicals? Go read your stinken koran!!

He didn't say all but one. He said all. No exceptions. And he was proved wrong.

Rainman. You said all. So I was responding to the word all.

Why can't the English teach their children how to speak?

Oh and PS, I am not Muslim so I have no reason to read any of their holy texts.

Oh and PS, I am not Muslim so I have no reason to read any of their holy texts.

So once again, you're wrong. Doesn't it get tiring?

I realize that there's no Islamic dress code, but I thought that they generally wore loose fitting clothes to express modesty. Not ALL... there are always exceptions to the rule, but i was under this impression that many practicing Muslims did this.

I cant refute your point about minds that are perpetually stuck in the past. Some people are in a comfy bubble when it comes to their biases. Once the older few generations die off, we'll be dividing ourselves in fear of some new "threat" that we generously apply to an entire group of people in order to compensate for our insecurities.

The loose cloths used in some Eastern countries like gulf states has nothing to do with any religion.
They used to wear it ''even before religions''

This loose dressing made of cotton fibres helps them to bear the very hot weather and parched desert

There was a "before religions"?!?!?! ;-)

Thanks for the reeducation.

Yes, before Judaism, Islam, and Christianity the Middle East was an area without formal religion. The spiritual acts practiced would be considered Pagan today, and all three of the religions have borrowed from these pagan rites and rituals to create their own mythologies and rituals. While Christian holidays revolve around the New Testament and Jesus Christ, the dates they are celebrated are often connected to times in the year that pagan rituals normally took place. Some of the food connected to certain holiday meals also originate from paganhood. Organized religion has not always existed. For more information I'd recommend Elaine Pagel's "Origin of Satan" as a starting book, and she lists many sources for further exploration.

There was a "before religions"?!?!?! ;-) *

;-) *winkie face indicating sarcasm

Its a good reminder though. Thanks for the book suggestion. I'll add it to my list.

I saw the winkie face after! Oh well, still worth noting. Elaine Pagel is a good read, especially for people interested in the stories that the Church decided to leave out of the bible. In 1948 (or 58? I think I've got the year right) the gnostic gospels - including the Book of Mary Magdalene in very bad shape - were uncovered. In these particular scripts Jesus was anti-organized religion and indicated that the path to God was through self-discovery and awareness. It made sense why the Church didn't want them included.

Tis all good! I appreciate the knowledge you've shared. Its exciting to think that there are books and interpretations that have not been unearthed, or even in private collections and simply never been shared with the world.

I agree with most of what you've said and have nothing to add. Just wanted to back up your post with a hearty HERE HERE! Rational Republicans of the world unite!

The New Yoker is pretty liberal, I don't think this was to scare people away form voting for him. If anything it was to say: "Look at what those crazy republicans are trying to do!"

However, I also believe that the Christians want to pull the same crap on a smaller scale.

Amen, John you really have your thoughts together, now if we could find two good people to run for the White House instead of a Whiner and a Warhawk we would be in great shape. I think in a Mae West film she asked " where is a good man when you need him" right before she said "why don't you come up and see me some time". There aren't enough good people willing to put themselves before the public and be ripped to pieces by the right or left.

Your finger seems to have stuck to your shift key.

No no, can't you tell? This is how people who don't know how to speak well express themselves effectively.

Please, total free speech is just an excuse for some apes to fling feces.

The very same magazine depicted Pres. Bush and V.P. Cheney as the cowboys from Brokeback Mountain. Where was the cry of "foul" from either gays or conservatives or even the Bush Administration? Since when does the candidate get to frame the discussion about him/her? The Clinton's couldn't, the Bush's couldn't. Neither could John Kerry, Bob Dole, Michael Dukakis...

ARGH, dude?? This magazine cover was making fun of people like you. That's the great thing about human beings. Whether you're conservative or liberal, the danger of missing the point is just as great.

People like me?? A black man paying for his own education, no out of wedlock children and no criminal record? Hmmm....yeah, I am rich, white, old conservative.

Amen to that John. We need to go back to public hangings.
Oh, wait that would be cruel and unusal punishment, not like what the pedophiles do to children that effect them the rest of their lives.

Besides, I though Obama said he wasn't a muslim.
Its getting deeper and deeper folks

Who bashes Christians everyday? Who automatically hears the word Christian and associates that with terrorist? It is so funny to sit and watch the majority "play" victim.

I never said people associate the word Christian with terrorists, quite the opposite actually. But yes, if someone does something wrong and claims they are a Christian, then the pounding starts about their hypocricy. People can "claim" any thing they want in the name of a God, but it doesn't mean it's so or that even they believe it. One has to study the many religions to understand them. You can't understand a religion if all you know about it is what the news people tell you or your uncle yahoo.

Actually Christians do get bashed daily. Not as terrorists, but as stupid, backward, close-minded and other less than flattering descriptions. Maybe its just too subtle, or too pervasive for you to notice.

Thank you Phillip-C

Christians gain that reputation for a reason. If you look at a lot of people who claim Christianity, they are closed minded and hypocritical. I was born and raised a Christian and I see this. And at the end of the day, no one discriminates against you if you say you are a Chrisitian. No one tells you to go back Europe and get over your feelings being hurt.

Remember in the 80s and 90s alot of fanatical Christians killed and bombed abortion clinics and doctors. They also sent death threats. Also, there were alot of people who were molested by the clergy in the catholic church? So should ALL christians be ridiculed. I think not.

I will say something I said in another forum recently.

Liberals, you need the conservatives because without them, we'd all just be a bunch of whiney hippie douches.

Conservatives, you need the liberals because without them, we'd all be a bunch of survivalist @!$%#s.

Now everyone, let's go get drunk and eat chicken fingers!

In addition, it is not God who starts wars and disagreements - it is people. God doesn't allow bad things to happen, people do.

That is the only half intelligent thing you said. The rest of your statement is lies as you have no proof to justify making them.

Read the Koran you moron.

You can find the same thing in the Bible...maybe you should try reading that. Check out Deuteronomy 13:5-10...oh and I am a Christian before you start with the attacks.

And the new testament preaches a new story as well. Try reading that. The old testament also says there is a time for peace AND a time for WAR. Nevertheless, the reasons Christians no longer physically slaughter a lamb for reptenance is because of Christ - the new testament. Thus, you can't take just one portion of a chapter and apply it to all things. You have to rightly divide the word. Who was He speaking to and why etc., etc.?

The same way you can't take one part of the Koran and judge the entire religion....

Christians might not kill you now, but it was done in the past. One thing in recent years you were killed if you had or gave an abortion.

Christians vs. muslims, isn't this how the holy wars all get started. My God's better than your God, nah, nah, nah! The glaring difference I see is there is no platform of muslims willing to speak out against the radical faction that high-jacked the teachings of the Qauron (save for a very, very few). Silence is an implied acceptance that causes attack on your religion. Are you all scared to speak against your fanaticism? If you have TRUE Faith will not allah protect you? At least when christian fanaticism acts out (like an adolescent that all fanatics are) there are multitudes of christians that are willing to denounce the actions of the few PUBLICLY. Stay quiet & expect to be excoriated along with the radicals, because I then interpret that as acceptance of their abhorrent behavior. For the record, I am not supporting ANY religion, I choose a spiritual way of existence.
As for little boy barry, he should dress in a loud plaid coat, like a used car salesman, 'cause he patronizes & appeases so you'll buy his BS. Would you let a surgeon operate on your child that has 147 days of experience because he lays a good line on how he will definitely eradicate that brain tumor with a wave of his magical scalpel? Well that's how much time barry has in the senate on the job, before he decided to run for the most powerful position in this country. For me, color has nothing to do with not voting for him. Lack of experience dealing in all factions of his platform & how he is handling this candidacy with his appeasing comments & lack of diplomacy is the turn-off. I simply don't agree with his ideas and feel he is insincere with his promises. That's the Beauty of it all, which I fear will be lost and is being lost daily through the left's agenda of death of a thousand slices of our Liberty. We (everyone) might soon find out cannot express ANY opposing viewpoint, or be attacked & silenced. You want to accept barry? You want to appease the enemies of our Country, & lose our Constitutional Rights? Then keep voting for the leftist liberals that are controlling our Congress in search of a "one world govt.", and will soon be controlling more than just what size toilet you should own, how much money you deserve, how much mileage your car should get. Go on, you'll deserve the government we are experiencing now only worse!

so what-367018

Read the Koran you moron.

How predictable. Perhaps you should put down the cartoon version and reread it in it's original text.

where was the outcry when the left had a play about shooting Bush and also comparing him to hittler.if you want to be the prez you better have a thick skin and roll with the punches

Hehehe! Actually I do find it offensive but not as much as I did when I first saw it. See, I don't read the New York Times so I was not aware that they often do tasteless magazine covers. I also come to understand that the cover was satirical and was suppose to represent the idiotic rumors being touted as facts amongst our very intelligent, very self thinking, very fact finding, Americans.

I still find it offensive.

if you want to be the prez you better have a thick skin and roll with the punches

If you saw the interview, Obama said that himself. Again, I urge people to actually know the full story before they comment.

He doesn't sound very outraged to me. He sounds like he's responding to the question posed to him. It doesn't sound like he's making a big deal out of it, at all. All he said was that in the end it's just a political cartoon, that it doesn't bother him personally, but that it's insulting to Muslim-Americans to try to point fun and demonize someone by making them out to be like that group. He didn't seem overly-agressive on that point either, just stating his opinion. All of the hype surrounding this issue is made up by the media and the people paying attention to it, not Obama. He's just answering the meandering question these journalists insist on asking to create sensationalism and make money.

It's those sound bites again and headlines. That's what people only want to see or hear.

The poor Muslims seem to be taking it in the shorts these days. Maybe it's all those suicide bombers and other assorted criminals claiming to be Muslims when they really aren't who are giving the religion a bad name.

On the other hand they seem to be a humorless bunch. Anybody and everything can be open to satire and criticism. The idea that we must suspend our speech in order not to offend them isn't gonna fly.

While I personally consider the new yorker cover cartoon of Obama and his wife to be needlessly offensive to Obama and in awfully poor taste, that's the way it goes. Unless some wacko Muslim decides to shoot the cartoonist he is free to be just as tasteless in future.

If Muslims are offended, too bad. I don't care. Get over it because without a doubt there will be more on the way. If they can't handle living in western countries with the freedoms we enjoy there is always the exit door. I understand Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Iran are wide open in their tolerance of speech. Go there. Be happy.

It is apparent that you did not hear nor read Sen. Obama's initial and current responses to the cover. He is not acting the victim, others are doing that on his behalf. He is lamenting the fact that it is insulting to Muslims, of ALL races. He also acknowledged the right of the magazine to free speech.

I think yours is an excellent, insightful and well-written comment.

This is SATIRE. SATIRE holds no prisoners.

The satire is directed at US, as a nation, for our sometimes grossly distorted and caricatured view of each other. It is not directly at Obama, his wife, Osama bin Laden, or at Moslems. It is directed at AMERICA in general from a leftist slant.

As a moderate, I find this cover quite humorous and inoffensive in the least.

Everyone should take pause and laugh at just how preposterous our views have become.

It is a different time and place. No one wants to be associated with Bin Laden or the idea of being a terrorist. there are people who will look at that cover or listen to FOX news place emphasis on Obama's middle name and become convinced that he is Bin Laden's right hand man. With the decline of moral make-up in todays society it would be wise to say that he should be concerned. Whether you see it or not or have too much faith in America, people are not as stable as you think they are. He doesn't need anything that is not accurate about him getting out.

Did it make you feel better when it was Christian sponsored terrorism? Oklahoma City ring a bell?

Oklahoma City ring a bell?

If you are implying that the OKC bombing was religiosly motivated, you are incorrect.

Having said that, there have been plenty of evil done by Christians.

No that is not what I'm implying. My point is terrorism is wrong - PERIOD. For Greg to claim that

I'm rather insulted by Muslim sponsored terrorism but that doesn't seem to stop.

is an ignorant statement as it implies that he is for terrorism as long as it's committed by any other religion, even though I know that it could not be what he could have meant. Terrorist acts have been committed by people belonging to other religions for many years. It is now, after such an act has been committed on us that we are really paying attention.

No that is not what I'm implying. My point is terrorism is wrong - PERIOD. For Greg to claim that "I'm rather insulted by Muslim sponsored terrorism but that doesn't seem to stop." is an ignorant statement as it implies that he is for terrorism as long as it's committed by any other religion

No it doesn't.

If I said that I don't like McDonalds hamburgers, would that automatically mean that I like all other kinds of hamburgers? Or would It mean that I like all McDonalds food that isn't hamburgers? Nope. All it would mean is that I don't like McDonalds hamburgers.

You may be right to target greg's apparent xenophobia, but the rules of logic still apply.

Yes, Muslims were offended, and non-Muslims were offended.
People were offended when Kanye WEst appeared on a cover of a magazine dressed as if he was crucified.

It is in poor taste to make fun of others religions - that is why many initially came to this country.

I have not seen one news report from a muslim community spokesperson saying they were offended. Only Obama speaking for a community to which he does not belong.

Can you also explain how a cartoon of a guy dressed in muslim garb is offensive? The whole republican push to make Obama out to be a muslim is stupid whcih is what the cover was trying to say. But it is not saying the being muslim is bad or evil.

Poor taste maybe but it happens every day to EVERY religion. What makes Islam so special that we can't say anything about it?

He's not speaking for Muslims. He's saying that it wasn't offensive to him, and if it were offensive to anybody it would be Muslims because people say Muslim as if it is a smear. That was his point.

So Jim, you think it was right to lock up every Japanese. Send all Muslims out of this country, then all Jews, then all non-believers, then Catholics, then ......

You are ignorant Jim.

I guess he also believes, Blacks should go back to Africa.