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Feds' closed-door deal could ease development

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The Bush administration is preparing to ease the way for the nation's largest private landowner to convert hundreds of thousands of acres of mountain forestland to residential subdivisions.

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Scott Isaacs

How nice... privatization to the nth degree.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 2:09 AM EDT
A Man WatchingDeleted
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Arnold-302863

The folks in Montana have let it be known for years that new residents were not welcome, and I can understand their feelings. But if someone owns property in Montana or any other state they are entitled to develop it in any legal fashion.

    Reply#2 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 2:49 AM EDT
    Don Dukeman

    Here's another "closed door" deal of the Bush Administration and big business. Kind of reminds you of the "No Bid Contracts" in Iraq. It's a shame we have "NO" Politicians with a backbone to stop this. Bush is wanting to open up the Alaska Wilderness to his Oil Buddies and his time is getting short in the White House, so, expect more of this under the table crap.

    • 7 votes
    Reply#3 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 3:40 AM EDT
    cgr

    The real shame here, Don, is that a deal has to be made at all. One of the pillars of a free society is land ownership. If you purchase something and cannot use it as you see fit, what good is it? My city has a bay and many lovely homes are there. One day the EPA came in and gave the homeowners a mandate that said they could know longer clear their beach front property of any natural growth. If they were found doing it, they would receive a hefty fine or even imprisonment. As a result their property became an ugly, useless swamp filled with seaweed and cat tails. These owners spent years in court and millions of dollars before they were allowed to have their property rights back. In my state we have to pay taxes on our property. Even after I pay my mortgage off I must continue to pay taxes on it. The day I stop, the state confiscates my home and property. Does anyone ever really own property in this state? No.

    The same goes for our natural resources. If we have an abundance of oil and natural gas under our soil, what good does it do us if the government won't allow us to tap into it? Whether you hate Bush and the Republicans isn't the issue. Our country's economy runs on oil and without it, it will collapse. You can see it starting to. To compound the problem, we are using the grain that's meant to feed us and our livestock to produce inefficient fuel. Couple that with dwindling oil supplies and you have a recipe for disaster.

    Anwar is 19.5 million acres of nothing! The Bush administration wants to allow the oil companies access to 2000 acres of it. That's one percent of the land area! Hell, the governor of Alaska is begging Congress to allow drilling there! We're not talking about drilling in Arlington Cemetery here. C'mon, man! If we can't drill in a place like this, where can we?

    It's time to wake up, Don! The so-called 'big oil companies' aren't the real problem here. It's 'big government' (which, by the way, the Democrats are all about). The Democrats complain about the oil companies' 'windfall' profits when the government takes double what the oil companies do in taxes from every gallon of gas. The difference is that the oil companies use there profits to explore, produce, refine, and deliver more fuel to us while the government just takes its cut and spends it. Who's the real bad guy here?

    • 3 votes
    #3.1 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 7:58 AM EDT
    miser

    the GW era is about "closed door" policy, secret deals, secret prisons, secret removals of freedom and democracy, secret contracts, hidden WMD's never to be found, invasions and occupations against foreign lands, Karl Rove - "the Architect" of secrecy

    • 2 votes
    #3.2 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 10:24 AM EDT
    America Today-Anthony

    CJR,

    If you build a house next to a bay you must pay for that life style.

    if you build a house next to a golf course your house WILL be hit by a golfball and you WILL have golfers walking across your property.

    I suggest we take your lovely little home and put a f'n oil rig 100 feet outside your bay window.

    • 3 votes
    #3.3 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 10:36 AM EDT
    Hamlet-267954

    CJR, People like you are what's wrong with our country . Take, take, take, never give back. You see only what's right in front of you, not the long road of the future. Why pave over some of the last remaining pristine areas in the west? Why?

    People want to move far away from other people because they want privacy? Then, thousands of people move next door, build roads, cut down forests...pollute waterways and air, bring noise, crime, shopping malls(because we must have a pharmacy and a Wal-Mart and doctors, lawyers, schools) and the first occupants wonder what happened to their "privacy".
    As far as energy sources, you are still hung up on fossil fuels. Europeans have begun to move on to wind, sun etc as energy sources. We are stuck in the forties with big SUV's, big trucks and gashogging cars. Will we never learn?

    We didn't learn in the seventies with the oil shortage and you are proof that we apparently haven't learned now.

    • 4 votes
    #3.4 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 11:26 AM EDT
    cgr

    Anthony,

    What in God's Name are you talking about? The people who bought these homes DID pay for them. The EPA came in years later and took their property rights AWAY! AND, nobody's suggesting that we build oil rigs in people's back yards. If you had the slightest ability to comprehend what I wrote, you'd have picked up the fact that there's no one living in Anwar! You make no sense at all!

    • 1 vote
    #3.5 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 11:38 AM EDT
    Rich-365548

    CGR, there is plenty of land to develop without logging National Forests. Look at most subdivisions built today - houses are at least twice the size anybody would need and waste energy. If land had been developed responsibly for the last 25 years or so, this would not even be an issue.

    • 2 votes
    #3.6 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 11:57 AM EDT
    cgr

    Rich, who are you or anyone else to decide what someone else needs? People talk as though there is a limited amount of energy. That may be so, but the reason for that is the environmentalist's hold on the politicians who are, in turn, limiting the energy producers from increasing our energy supplies. We can't build a nuclear plant, we can't drill for oil, we can't build a refinery.... we can't... we can't... we can't..... It's insane!!! France is what?... 70-80% nuclear powered? We can't do that? Why!!?

    Why do you think we enjoy the standard of living we do in this country? Because we once had a spirit of independence. Where did that go? We have all bought into this attitude of impending doom at every corner. And, it's from this attitude that's constantly being fed to us by the left, that we find ourselves paralyzed to do anything anymore.

    We can harvest our natural resources without destroying our environment and we'd better start now or we'll soon find ourselves in deep trouble. There are no guarantees in life. Could there be an oil spill somewhere? Sure. Could we have a nuclear plant accident? It's possible. But, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

    Let's get back to the business of being America! Land of the free and home of the brave!!!

    • 2 votes
    #3.7 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 12:40 PM EDT
    JoulesBeef

    it's called zoning.. you cant just build a dump on your land either..
    as for beeches.. you remove some of the erosions proof plants.. you can screw up your neighbour property.. like it or not american is the united states and not eh states of a bunch of indivauls.

    as for anwar is wont make a differnance.. plus the oil coampnies arent payign our royalities ont eh oil they steal from us and sell back to us..
    here is a question for your gopr's
    how much oil did we export last year?
    how much is the predicted flow of anwar(and no don't just pick the high number,post the range)

    yoru argument is BS.. plus it is far smarter to conserve our resources for when oil peaks. You cant first complain that all sciencists are anti capitalist and then claim they will save us from the lost of a cheap and easy energy source. they cant change the laws of phyiscs and the thing about finding a replace ment.. wee need to be settign upt he infrastucture, right now.

      #3.8 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 1:42 PM EDT
      Will-359688

      CGR,
      As per your comment, "We can harvest our natural resources without destroying our environment and we'd better start now or we'll soon find ourselves in deep trouble."

      They aren't talking about harvesting our environment, they are talking about eliminating it. Currently, the logging companies utilize land management which harvests the forest and allows them to grow back. What they are talking about doing now is clear cutting hundreds of thousands of acres to construct McMansions and lush housing developments which will be disastrous for the environment. That land will never grow back and the balance will never be restored. With the path our country is on, our children and grandchildren will only know about forests through history books because greedy people with too much money want to "get in touch with nature".

      And it isn't the liberals who are fighting this, it is the people in Montana (a conservative state) who oppose this deal the most.

      • 1 vote
      #3.9 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 3:40 PM EDT
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      gung

      It makes me sad expecially for the animals that live there. Where I live, we used to have all of this land where the Pinon trees grew all over. You could see jackrabbits and coyotes running. Now all you see is these big homes. Alot of the trees and plants were taken out.
      One day we will all pay for mens greed.

        Reply#4 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 4:15 AM EDT
        Gary Busse

        For those of you that don't know. Plumb Creek Timber is a collection of railroad rights of ways deeded to Burlington Northern and other Railroads of the time by the land donation Act of Lincolns presidency Plum Creek was organized and spun off by Burlington Northern about 20 years ago. This action took place at a time other large timber companies began to move away from forest products and into real estate. These lands should have reverted back to our federal government upon the failure of the railroads to develop them. This is a crime against the working taxpayer in my opinion.

        • 2 votes
        Reply#5 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 4:20 AM EDT
        Curata et Industria-330581

        Gary, thanks for clarifying that. I remember the right of way the family (Eureka MT) had to deal with on its holdings.

        I am suprised that people still want to move to Montana after the land rush in the 90's. Prices are near Southern California, or are approaching so. It is worth the development if homes are smaller, on larger parcels, and not exploitive like so many regions of California (which allowed unchecked growth with no resources to feed the homes).

          #5.1 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 1:35 PM EDT
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          gung

          SAD! We have had a influx of houses built in our area. We used to have Pinon trees, rabbits and coyote's all over. Now all you see is torn out trees and huge homes being built that the people will only live in for a few months, sell and build another home.
          They will realize when it is too late what the wilderness and empty land does for our enviroment. My grandchildren will pay the price.

          • 2 votes
          Reply#6 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 4:22 AM EDT
          miser

          why always our grandchildren?

          make them pay NOW

            #6.1 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 10:25 AM EDT
            cgr

            Hey Gung,

            Nobody stopped you from moving into the area, did they? Tell you what. Let's all move off the G. D. earth and then all our environmental problems will be over! The earth was created for people to live on! Where in the hell do you suggest we go? You have to be a liberal. It's ok for you to live in the wilderness, but to hell with the rest of us!

              #6.2 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 11:44 AM EDT
              scuba

              why dont you try living in a vacant forclose home and leave the wilderness(what little is left untouched )alone.

              • 2 votes
              #6.3 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 12:53 PM EDT
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              Frank F. Kling

              I did not believe my contempt for the administration of G.W. Bush could become more intense. That is until I read this article about the administration's hostility toward the concept of environmental stewardship. Is it any wonder that more indigenous plant and animal species have gone extinct under Bush's tenure than all previous presidents combined. Money is more important than the preservation of life- disgusting.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#7 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 4:45 AM EDT
              Tony Wlliams

              Don't worry folks. When people start complaining about the bears attacking there dog. The bobcat ate fluffy. My kid was attacked it will drop the property value. They'll move out. Of course a few die hards will want to wipe out the wildlife as they forgot they moved into the bears home.

              • 2 votes
              Reply#8 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 4:52 AM EDT
              DS-318519

              Every part of this country was wild life area at some point...its called humanization. Its the animals or us..what is your choice? Eventualy we will not lots more wooded area for earth to accomadate its population explosion.

              Unless we should stop reproducing!!!!

                #8.1 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 2:40 PM EDT
                Tony Wlliams

                In case people aren't paying attention we need to put more effort into conservation. How many time most someone find a coyote in their yard before we stop and realize that these animals are being forced by us into cities because where taking there homes away. Every year there are more and more reports of people hitting deer, bears, and others creatures. There are more reports of wild animals attacking humans in populated areas.
                We have 2 choices preserve places for them to live or send them to extinction. Wouldn't we be ashamed to find out that 1 of the species we sent to the grave held the key to the medical breakthrough we needed to cure cancer. Maybe fix Down Syndrome.

                  #8.2 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 6:16 PM EDT
                  DonMan

                  Hi Tony,

                  they have no shame only greed and contemp for others who want to preserve a corner of the wilderness for something other than more homes and subdivisions. Another deal made in the middle of the night behind closed doors. How many of you are aware the on June 26th 2008 the impostor declared a STATE OF EMERGENCY! He can go after Iran without permission from this worthless Congress! Go and check it out.

                    #8.3 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 9:27 PM EDT
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                    DARLENE-365334

                    WE ELECTED THOSE POLITICIANS WE AS AMERICANS "WE THE PEOPLE" NEED TO STAND UP & SAY NO MORE WE CAN'T DEPEND ON ANYONE TO PROTECT OUR RIGHTS OUR LAND OUR ANYTHING NOT ANY MORE WE MUST DEPEND ON OURSELVES TO STOP THE RAPING OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE , CREATE PETITIONS TALK TO THE MEDIA ,TALK TO ONE ANOTHER.GROUP TOGETHER & PEACEFULLY PROTEST. WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY TO PRESERVE OUR LAND & THE WILD LIFE THAT LIVE THERE WE CAN'T KEEP ALLOWING THE DESTRUCTION OF ALL THAT IS GOOD THE EXCUSE THAT IT'S THE GOVERNMENTS FAULT DOESN'T WORK . WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT OR HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THAT?? THIS IS OUR LAND ,OUR WORLD THE POLITIONS ARE JUST PEOPLE WE HIRED TO MANAGE IT AND THEY ARE DOING A BAD JOB OF IT SO LIKE ANY BOSS LETS FIRE THEM AND START TO REBUILD. PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS HOMES & EVERYTHING THEY HAVE WORKED FOR THEIR WHOLE LIVES WE CAN'T KEEP THE HOMES WE NOW HAVE YET SOMEONE WANTS TO DESTROY LAND AND BUILD MORE. YES SIR THAT MAKES SENSE

                      Reply#9 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 4:54 AM EDT
                      Terry G. Fisher

                      "We, the people, need to stand up"? You seem to have fallen for that old gag about ours being a "government of, by and for the people." It is, Darlene, a government of the rich and greedy, by the rich and greedy and especially FOR the rich and greedy. We, the people, are just the peons and serfs who's shoulders turn the wheels. We all celebrate the fact that we live in a capitalistic republic. Capital. That is the bottom line. You have to produce more people to produce more growth to produce more capital. When the condition becomes static you need more people. To provide income for them you need more growth. Man will someday understand what a folly a greed based, capitalistic driven society was. When all the city limits are contiguous and all residential building must be upward and there is no more real estate to waste on cemeteries or farmland because the rich need the land for capital growth. Then the laws of survival will drive mankind, not capital. Until then you can orate about We, the Prople, but remember the old Arabic adage: "The dogs bark. But the caravan moves on."

                      • 2 votes
                      #9.1 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 9:46 AM EDT
                      leff2

                      Amen brother or sister, very well said....

                        #9.2 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 10:54 PM EDT
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                        Harold D. Cope

                        Colusion between the current administration and their business partners at it's worce. Smoke filled rooms deals and the citizens of our country be dammed. November cannot come too soon to be shed of P. Bush and his big money friends.

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#11 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 5:16 AM EDT
                        Charles Reinders

                        I say we quit blogging and posting and get off our rears and start a second revolution in this country.

                        We have the same repressive, tax-gouging, self-interested politicians that Americans faced in the firsst American Revolution. Middle class America needs to take its majority and 'DEMAND' change, even it it means revolution!

                        Bush baby and his cronies should all (read 'all' current politicians) be removed, by force if necessary, before they ruin what's left of this country. Of course this message may not make it through the editors since basically I am advocating overthrowing the same government that is currently 'cracking down' on us trouble makers!

                        I suggest a new party, the American Peoples Party, that would rule by majority (you know, a democracy), where we can have rights and be taxed fairly and not have big-business (does anyone remember the term 'military-industrial complex) taking and taking while the government sits by and does nothing. This party would be open to 'all' Americans (not '?-Americans') who want to live in the great country we once were.

                        Let's leave the Middle East to themselves, along with Africa and any other country were they would rather kill each other than live peaceably. We have spent Trillions of our tax dollars over the past 50 years first bombing and then rebuilding other countries into industrial and economic powerhouses (Germany and Japan for example). Only to watch our economy turn to rubble, while the new economic and industrial powerhouses stand by and do nothing.

                        I am not advocating an isolationist attitude, merely a reality check that says we, as Americans, deserve to reap the rewards of our hard work, and quit giving out tax dollars to other countries and 'big-business/government'. Raise your hand if you think the U.S. military is going to stop Sunni and Shiites from killing each other, or one African tribe for killing another, or the Taliban from killing anyone. We close our doors to these people, and use only the force necessary to remind them, we want to live in peace, if you attack us, we will not invade, we will merely bomb you back to the stone age which is obviously were you would rather be in the first place. Close our military bases around the world, and spend the money on alternate fuels and technology to improve our lives intsead of people who have no desire to do anything other than kill each other.

                        The soap box is now waiting!

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#12 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 6:58 AM EDT
                        Howard H Gladman

                        Folks, what we have here is the result of the natural progression of our democratic, free enterprise system of government. I don't want to get into a argument over free enterprise or democracy.Let me say that we have never had or will there ever be a pure form of either. As individuals succeed in accumulating wealth they begin exercising the power that goes along with it to limit the ability of succeeding generations to accumulate wealth. Money begets money and power begets power.
                        The situation we find ourselves in today is the wealthy/powerfull spend heavily to have more power and the resources which were once plentiful are becoming scarce. The wealthy have exerted influence to make tax laws preferential to them. Money talks pure and simple and equality under the law for all citizens is rapidly vanishing.

                        We need a true progressive tax system, a 75% inheritance tax, a commitment to providing equal health care for all , equality of education for all, and a national commitment to developing a comprehensive alternative energy program.

                        We won't stand a chance of this under short sighted Republicans that have been in power for the last eight years.

                          #12.1 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 2:37 PM EDT
                          leff2

                          Wasn't that called Communism??

                            #12.2 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 10:57 PM EDT
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                            OleMissMom

                            How did a former logging lobbyist become the overseer of the US Forest service? Sure he knows his forest, he knows how to tear down forests.

                              Reply#13 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 7:19 AM EDT
                              plasticsguy

                              We are not nor have we ever been a democracy. We are a republic and we need to return to the constitution and follow it. But as long as you have the liberals and the greenies running things it will only get worse. You can all blame Bush but you should be looking at your congress and their shady dealings.

                                Reply#14 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 7:27 AM EDT
                                Marti-349478

                                Hope we get this man and his cronies out soon and stop all this type of situations. Wonder what else they have done that we do not know about? They say bad things about McClelland but there will be others and the whole truth may never be known.

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#15 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 7:29 AM EDT
                                Galen-350056

                                I don't know which was worse, the Clinton's or Bush. These backdoor deals have been going on for decades. We need to make changes in the Houses of our government also. 98% of them work for lobbyists. Ross Perot was going to clear out those boys wearing the $600 alligator shoes. If he would have been elected (and I think he really was) it would be interesting to see what would have happened. Thanks to the Clintons and Bush, our country has been sold down the river.

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#16 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 7:31 AM EDT
                                black_hippy

                                im not even from an area that rural and i know this is just dead wrong. you are going to tell me with all the homes in foreclosure and being built in other areas of the country the bush administration feels the need to tap into these lands??? just terrible

                                • 3 votes
                                Reply#17 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 7:33 AM EDT
                                Mountainman

                                Many of us that live in the Intermountain West have tried to tell the various local officials for 40 years that most of these "stop development" folks were rich outsiders and that their efforts would have the exact opposite effect from what they thought would happen.
                                The more land that is taken from private ownership cuts jobs and makes the rest of the land more valuable. Finally these funny faced, never worked a real job, environmentalists are finding out that ranching and tourists and timber are good for the land and the people.
                                This is what creates the demand of outsiders to build in all these places. And blaming Bush is crazy. President Clinton locked up land and caused problems in Utah so immense that he would not even go to the state to announce it--the pay off was tying up vast quantities of coal (much like oil today) to benefit his foreign friends.
                                The results were predictable. As Al Gore suggested, raise the price of gas to $5 and people will find alternatives. Limit development and land use to the point that only the rich can build trophy homes is all that is left. It is the local economy that gets screwed along the hard working ranching and logging
                                families. Outsiders becomes the real estate agents, maintenance folks, and boutique store clerks.
                                Be very careful what you wish for!

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#18 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 7:35 AM EDT
                                plasticsguy

                                Your congress is made up of self serving individuals that will do or say whatever it takes to get reelected. If you want to make a difference you have to let them know what it will take to get your vote. And if they go against your beliefs then vote for someone who thinks the same way as you do. Don't be one of the sheep and vote for someone just because you think that everyone else will be voting for that person. Leave race, gender and religion out of the equation.

                                • 1 vote
                                Reply#19 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 7:41 AM EDT
                                Terry G. Fisher

                                AMEN, plasticsguy. As A friend of mine said back in the 60s, "There is NO conflict of interest in Congress. They have ONE interest. That is to become richer and more powerful. And they will not let ANYTHING come in conflict with that. Therefore, NO conflict of interest in Congress."

                                • 3 votes
                                #19.1 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 10:33 AM EDT
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                                Douglas DunnDeleted
                                TOM-365379

                                AS A FORMER LANDOWNER WHO ESSENTIALLY HAD HIS LAND CONFISCATED (BANNED FROM DEVELOPMENT TO ITS HIGHEST LEVEL OF USE WITHOUT COMPENSATION) BY THE PASSAGE OF CERTAIN ENVIRONMENTAL LAWS, FOLLOWED BY A "MILLION" BUREAUCRATIC REGULATIONS, IT IS NICE TO SEE CONSTITUTIONAL PROPERTY RIGHTS BEING MINIMALLY RESPECTED. OF COURSE, I WAS MORE THAN WELCOME TO CONTINUE PAYING TAXES ON THE LAND (FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE FLORA AND FAUNA) THAT I WAS NO LONGER PERMITTED TO USE.
                                I "APPLAUD" ANY EFFORTS TO PROTECT THE ENVIRONMENT "FOR THE GOOD OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE", SO LONG AS THE PROPERTY IS "PAID FOR BY ALL OF THE PEOPLE". I ALSO AGREE THAT "BACK ROOM DEALS" ARE A SAD COMMENTARY ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS, BUT, HAVE NOT HEARD OF ANY OTHER KIND OVER THE PAST 50 YEARS. ENJOY, TOM

                                  Reply#21 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 7:44 AM EDT
                                  Danny Phillips

                                  As a lifelong resident of Asheville, NC and Western North Carolina I really hurt to see something like the happen elsewhere. The land here has been destroyed by developers and the politicians in their pockets. At what point does this type of thing stop.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  Reply#22 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 8:00 AM EDT
                                  Rockie

                                  I cannot speak for anyone but myself but governments ll over are the same, screw everyone for the sake of the governing few. Same thing with oil prices. The only ones getting any benefit from the continual price gouging are the oil companies and the governments. There is no need of oil being in the $150.00 a barrel category with no end in sight. Such a feeling of impotence to see the price at the pumps rising daily and hear politicians say there is nothing they can do. Get of your lazy butts and listen to the people who elected you and not the people who have bought you. What are governments going to do when people can no longer afford to commute to work and are forced to sign up "en masse" for welfare?

                                    Reply#23 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 8:06 AM EDT
                                    tbar-365391

                                    What would be useful in an article like this is who are the owners of Plum Creek? Where do they live? What other businesses do they control?

                                      Reply#24 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 8:06 AM EDT
                                      Maine Mom

                                      Plum Creek is a menace. They are attempting this same thing here in Maine. They are trying to develop a "recareational complex" around Moosehead Lake near Mt Katahdin. It is shameful that the Bush adminstration has a former logging lobbyist in that position. On July 5h WE THE PEOPLE need to let our duliy elected officials know how we feel about our open spaces that are being threatened. We are fighting Plum Creek here in Maine, let's have Montana join us in our battle. Yes, logging is not the way to make money but eco toursim is booming and there will no "eco" to have tourism for. Once development starts it is very hard to stop and once homes are built in less populated areas that will promote further commerical development as people will not want to drive any distances for their coffee, milk and steaks. Sprawl will spread whether the local residents want it or not.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#25 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 8:11 AM EDT
                                      Mary-299551

                                      Who in the world gave a job of overseeing the forest service, to a former lobbyist? They will push anything where they will get money for themselves. They have no right to decide what will happen to our national Forrest behind closed doors. The trees and all the Forrest help the air, give home to the wild animals. Now they want to convert hundreds of thousand acres of mountain forest land, to residential subdivisions. The animals will suffer and the country in general, so a few people with millions of dollars can have a big summer home.We are suppose to be going green, not cause more pollution, not take down trees that clean the air and give homes to the animals. Anything to do with Gov. land should be out in the open and the people should be able to have a voice in it. Mark Ray should have his job taken away from him, who ever hired him needs to look at himself also, but then maybe he did and is getting part of the payoff.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      Reply#26 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 8:32 AM EDT
                                      Dogtori

                                      I wish people would stop voting for a political party and pay more attention to the person. Bush is not a good Republican, not a good American, not a good man. He is a liar & a cheat. I wonder what else is going on behind closed doors before he finally leaves office.

                                      Let's see, the south is still reeling from terrible hurricanes, the midwest is severly flooded as no one has ever seen, the west and especially California is burning from thousands of fires most of which were started from lightning. Could it be that God is very angry with us for what we, in our greed, have done to his beautiful world that he gave to us to care for?

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                                      Reply#27 - Sat Jul 5, 2008 8:49 AM EDT
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