Election Fraud Against Obama In Ohio: More Comes Out

Tell someone. Tell 100 someones. Preferably someone in Pennsylvania, where a blowback against Hillary will squash her like a bug on a windscreen.

Let's see her income taxes.

Let's vette each and every dirty trick her campaign has been responsible for.

Let's shout the news that the Canadian government announced today, that it was her , not Obama, that was talking out of both sides of her mouth on NAFTA in Ohio and telling the Canadians not to fret, it was just campaign noise.

Don't get mad. Get even.

Scott,
Your articles are great in respect to what people are thinking and what they want to know.
Know we just need to figure out how to get the media to talk about these things!

I think The Dagda might be on to something! Maybe you can create something like a chain letter we can circulate to 100 and they circulate to 100 etc. Will you do it?

Great! I think this is a good starting place!

I know I never forward spam. Except the "Stop Blaming MySpace" spam. I ate that one up; it was the exception.

I changed parties to vote in a primary this election cycle. What's the problem with that? People aren't locked into a party.

Vote and comment about this outrage! If it makes it to the newsvine frontpage, maybe it'll get play on MSNBC.

I'm game!

If a registered voter is registered with one party, then how can one verbally affiliate with another party on election day?

Ohio has an open primary, so anyone can vote in it no matter affiliation.

Eric wrote exactly what I was going to write.

If a state has an open primary system, and people can therefore vote for whoever they want to vote for in the primary election, then no fraud has been committed.

I think this might be a case of crying over spilt milk. I think you would have an onerous burden of proof in this instance and that the true focus needs to be closing these gaps in election law that allow such scurrilous practices.

Scott, as much as I would like to see the Rushocrats prosecuted, there is a problem. The law says the voter has to be "challenged". That was up to the election judge at the time the voter asked for the ballot. I don't see where the judge "challenged" the voter's right to vote in that precinct in the story, so I must assume that no challenge was issued.

As an election judge myself, I can tell you that challenging a voter is a term of art which means a judge looks on the voter rolls or at the prospective voter and says "I don't believe you are eligible to vote here." Only then does a voter have to prove he or she is indeed who he or she claims to be, lives in the precinct and has a right to vote. Without the challenge, they are entitled to vote and the vote must be counted. It would have been up to the Democratic judge in these voters' precincts to notice Joe and Myrtle Republican taking a Democratic ballot and say something at the time.

I can't say for sure if Ohio doesn't allow post-election voter challenges, but I doubt it. Sorry.

Unfortunately, I believe the answer is no. The challenging must come timely. It's a bit like showing up when the valet brings the car to the front of the restaurant. If you say the Lamborghini is yours and the valet doesn't suspect you're lying, unfortunately, you will drive off in the Lamborghini. The fact that you stole it is secondary to the fact that the real owner isn't going to get it back in time and is therefore S-O-L.

Most definitely. The best way to catch a thief is to alert the community to be on the lookout for her.

Here is the question though - what are they going to do? If they are open primary states where anyone can vote for whomever they want there isn't a thing to be done to stop them.

The simple fact is the Republican nomination process is done and as a result millions of people have been denied an opportunity to influence who is going to be President. Why shouldn't they exert that influence in the Democrat primary. The only thing I think to really be considered is you should vote for whichever Democrat is going to be the best President. Oddly enough even though I can't stand Hillary I think she is miniscully close to my outlook than Obama

This is why primaries should be held on the same day nation wide. Of course this problem is just going to come up again when we go back to the norm of a President or Vice President being the default nominee for a party. As I recall Democrats were trying this back in 2000, and even earlier this primary season. I don't seem to recall the hue and cry about this then. You don't like it the only real thing to do is get your state to switch to a closed primary state.

he law says the voter has to be "challenged". That was up to the election judge at the time the voter asked for the ballot. I don't see where the judge "challenged" the voter's right to vote in that precinct in the story, so I must assume that no challenge was issued.

This is what I was after above. I believe the Dagda is right about the challenge.

If they are open primary states where anyone can vote for whomever they want there isn't a thing to be done to stop them.

Yep. I used to think everything should be open primaries. Now I think they should all be closed. Democrats don't want Clinton, and Republicans don't want McCain, but non-party members are forcing them in.

Waiter, I'll have what he's having. Double dose, please.

That would probably be illegal. :)

that's the worst formatted haiku I've ever read Kenta Sato.

Yeah, I think we should investigate these guys, too. We'll start with the evidence we have that this guy confessed -- bragged! -- about committing a crime. Now, of course we can't just convict people based on uncorroborated confessions, or else Brian up above would be standing in line in the county jail with all the regular criminals, waiting for his one phone call.

Of course, his statement wasn't under oath, so we'll have to haul him in and get him to put it in writing. And if he refuses or lawyers up, well -- democracy is at stake... a ticking time-bomb situation -- get out the waterboard equipment!

If we want to make this a water-tight case, we'll need more evidence like... like... his ballot! We'll just have to impound all the voting machines and equipment while we investigate. Only... with ballots being secret and anonymous and all -- and maybe not even on paper -- how can we determine which one is his? Hmmm... I guess we can call the CSI guys in and have them look for fibers and prints and that kind of stuff. We'll also have to secure the crime scene -- the elementary school or firehouse where he voted -- and keep any of those pesky schoolchildren or firemen from contaminating the evidence. That's going to cost some money, but... never mind the expense, this is a crime, damnit!

We'll also have to start interviewing people -- anyone who may have seen him vote, or heard his confession, or maybe even collaborated with him in this heinous offence. We'll start with friends and family and work backwards -- co-workers, college buddies, teachers, babysitters... everyone. Someone has gotta have a photo or video or recording of him rejecting the policies of the party he voted for. And that will tie in with the forensic work on the ballot and we'll have this bastard nailed!

Then it's just a matter of finding a jury to convict him. It shouldn't be hard to find a pool of people who have never switched anything major like a religion or a political party, and who have never professed a belief in something they didn't really believe in.

I know this may sound ridiculous to some people, but that's because those are the kinds of people who don't understand "hope" and don't understand "change" and don't realize that moderation in the defense of Obama is no virtue and extremism in the defense of Obama is certainly no vice.

Don't waterboard me bro!

The DNC does not want this out. They are complicit in the Hillary Clinton nomination. Look at all the people in the Clinton camp. Lanny Davis helped setup the super delegates. Terry McAuliffe ran the DNC, Gov Rendell, Harold Ickes, Jennifer Granholm (naturalized citizen from Canada) Charles Dingell and wife, etc. and on and on.

Are the Hillary Clinton networks screaming about this? No, they are too busy tying Obama to Rezko even though there has been no evidence of wrongdoing. Are they talking about the Clintons and Stan Lee or their other shady business dealings? The freaking Republicans are running the news so what should we expect? These people are powerful and Barack Obama is a threat to them. They control our news...Remember money talks. The only way to hit back is find out where the money is coming from...in the end it comes down to the every day man and woman because we are the consumers of the companies who pay for advertising on the stations...

Thanks Scott.

You know, Tony Rezko was real chummy with the Clintons too. There's even pictures.
Hill, Bill and their "slumlord pal"

Not that there's anything wrong with it. Slumlords need love too, right? There's more to come...

Tim Russert and MSNBC conveniently dropped that. I guess the Clinton machine has beaten them into submission...

You know, Tony Rezko was real chummy with the Clintons too. There's even pictures. Hill, Bill and their "slumlord pal"

Two wrongs don't make a right. Also, it's Obama that's running a campaign of "hope and change".

There is documentation that Tony Renzo donated to both Bill Clinton and President Bush's campaigns!

Two wrongs don't make a right.

However, three do!

Raven --

There is documentation that Tony Renzo donated to both Bill Clinton and President Bush's campaigns!

Excuse me, but where is this documentation? When we were all discussing this when the photo came out, there was zilch to back up any such claim that Tony R donated to the Clintons.

Quit dragging Tony Renzo into this!!!

Tony Renzo

Retraction. :P

Scott, this article was very much appreciated. I suspected the night of the Ohio election something would come up and surely, it did. Since 04, the Bush-Diebold conspiracy, I've not trusted the voting in your state. Florida in 00, was my first clue that something would go wrong in 04, it did. I took some steps after reading it to send a note to not only the Obama site but to our local ABC affiliate here in California. I tried to send it to Olbermann at MSNBC, kept being returned. So I took the next step, sent it to Eugene Robinson at the Washington Post. Wanted to send it to AC 360 as well, it kept being returned undeliverable.

If you can back up what you wrote it should get some attention. You might want to email Eugene Robinson at the Washington Post to let him know you are the one who authored the note. Send him a copy of it as well.

In my view, this represents not only fraud by the Ohio repuglicans but treason to the Democratic process. I know I'm stretching it, but I can't think of a word harsh enough to express how I feel. Those perps should be prosecuted to the maximum extent of the law allowable, and then sum. Their actions represent a crime against the American people who are loyally and honestly, participating in this process.

As for Rush Limbaugh (Limburger), he needs to have his FCC license revoked, fined millions and barred from ever broadcasting again in this life and the next one. If what you say can be proven by an audit of those counties, he conspired to do harm against the Democratic process of elections. A very serious offense if you ask me.

To all, write your congressional representatives demanding they start an investigation. Notify your local TV stations, radio stations, newspapers, post on any and all internet sites. (Scott, you may have to name names but I'm sure you won't mind doing that if it comes to that.) We, as Americans cannot allow this type of corrupt behavior to affect this all important election. This act shows disloyalty to our nation which, can be defined as treason. The repuglicans have stooped as low as some other leaders of countries America attempts to support free and clean elections. I would say, they've violated our Civil Rights with Limburger as the leader of the gang. Lets hope if it's true (not doubting you Scott) something will be done soon and that justice will be swift.

Thank you again Scott for bring this to our attention. Keep this going until we see action. I'm hoping the media will get a hold of this tomorrow.

Okay, Scott. So, who's phone and email address do we best melt down tomorrow requesting an investigation and action.

Response:

I think the people that need to hear this loudly are Governor Ted Strickland of Ohio, Secretary of State in Ohio Jennifer Brunner and Ohio Attorney General Marc Dann. Those would be the three I recommend we start with.

Phone numbers to "melt down" provided below. Feel free to pass them along to friends, family, etc...

Ohio Contacts

Secretary of State
Jennifer Brunner
(614) 466-2655
(877) 767-6446

Ohio Attorney General
Marc Dann
Nicholas Miller, Executive Assistant
(614) 466-4320
(614) 466-4320

Governor of Ohio
Ted Strickland
(614) 466-3555

Here are some more phone numbers to melt down

CNN- (404) 827 – 1500
Comment line: (404) 827 - 0234

CNN NEWS CHIEF Eason Jordan. 404.827.5111. fax: 404.827.4215. eason.jordan@cnn.com
CNN NEWS DIRECTOR Kim Bondy. 404 827 1500. fax. 404 827 1099
CNN NEWSROOM 404.827.1500 . 404.827.1500.
CNN.com Switchboard 404-827-1700

CBSNews.com 212-975-4321 Switchboard
MSNBC.com 201-583-5000 Switchboard
NBCNews.com 212-664-4444

I'm not sure how current these numbers are - but it's worth a shot

If you're making calls - could you leave comments about them.

1. Are you getting through?
2. If so - what is the response you're getting?

Bottom line - there may be no legal recourse. But, if we can get consistent national press coverage on this it may just show the democrats who have yet to vote, in upcoming primaries, that Republicans WANT a Clinton nomination. They WANT to go after her.

Also contact:

• blackboxvoting.org

bradblog

These two sites are the leaders in the voters issues realm. They have the latest news re: touch-screen systems, voter suppression, investigations, etc.

oops! Formatting snafu. The links still work though :)

Just as a quick response. This is the kind of article, or series of stories that should be getting coverage outside of Newsvine.

Anybody watching this on any of the other major blogging networks?

If there isn't a resolution by the convention, I would say that there should be a call for a walkout at the convention.

This is the kind of dirty pool that makes this country just so famous!

Maybe it's not her problem but it certainly is a problem for democracy (such as ours is). We can't keep letting these things happen. We are turning into the Soviet Union.

I confess I voted yes -- not because I agree with the actions of the people Isaacs is ranting about, but because I really, really dislike poll questions that are phrased with such a heavy bias. It's like asking, 'Do you support Ann Coulter's freedom to attack 9/11 widows or do you drink the blood of newborn puppies?'. It's an unfair question.

It's an unfair question.

I agree. There was/is no development or explanation of a choice, the answers were to exact to the question.

I could not vote yes because I had to think about "punishment" for doing what? So I had to go with no.

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